Posts by Separation of Powers

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Some Thoughts on Candace Conti/Oral Argument

by DNCall in

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the length of time it has taken from the final briefing to the scheduling of oral argument may be due to a couple of factors.

in california, many of the courts are backed up due to budget cuts, layoffs and furloughs.

some courts are worse than others.

Separation of Powers

I agree with your position that time has elapsed due to the legal questions and not the state of the courts. The appelate realizes that their decision will have an impact beyond the Candace case. If the ORG was to lose, which I believe they will, then appealing to the Supreme court would be disastrous as it will have nationwide ramifications and the ORG's process will be held to an all-encompassing scrutiny that only exist at the Supreme level...I don't know if the ORG wishes to be scrutinized with a magnifying glass. The fact that EVERY state and territory would be allowed to submit in pro or favor could be disastrous as well.

We shall see.....keep your fingers crossed. Unless you are still active, then don't cross your fingers cause that's bad.

SOP

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How Do You Answer Someone Who Says JWs Are Not False Prophets?

by minimus in

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it used to bother me that people would say that about my well meaning religion.

how do you prove that witnesses are indeed, false prophets?.

Separation of Powers

"Tell me how you prove who a true prophet it."

The ORG has always used the counterfeit bill analogy. It is not necessary to prove what a counterfeit bill looks like. You simply need to be able to identify a REAL bill. So, put it on them. Tell me how you prove that you are a true prophet.

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NFL bans Player for using a 'switch' on his son

by designs in

nfl commissioner roger goodell placed minnesota viking's player adrian peterson on indefinite suspension for using extreme measures in disciplining his son using a tree branch switch.. sports illustrated covered details about how the process works with the players union, the player, and the nfl.. www.si.com/nfl/2014/11/17/minnesota-vikings-adrian-peterson-suspended.

i remember vivid scenes in kingdom halls and in the homes of jws who used extreme measures to discipline their children.

a father and assistant p.o.

Separation of Powers

Beating your kids serves no purpose. It may instill fear, that's true, but it does not engender compassion nor true virtue. It is a negative input expecting a positive result.

For many in my generation, being whipped was a customary element of our childhood. Before meetings, during meetings, after meetings, it didnt matter. If you weren't ready on time. If you talked or fell asleep during the meeting. If your brother or sister told on you on the way home. It was FUN to be a child witness!!!

My favorite childhood memory of the devout JW family is being whipped by a hot wheel track, a long orange plastic flexible piece of a toy race car setup popular in the late 60's early 70's. There is something sadistic in beating your kid with his own toys....

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That is what New Light is all about

by FatFreek 2005 in

sometimes small children can see through stupid.. .

len miller.

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Separation of Powers

Incandescent to Fluorescent; then Fluorescent to LED;

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Seven Shepherds Eight Dukes

by Ish Elon in

who is the assyrian?.

the article entitled seven shepherds, eight dukesawhat they mean for us today in the watchtower of the 15th november 2013 contained this important warning in paragraph 16: ain the near future, jehovahas apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day aassyrian,a whose intent will be to wipe them out.a it goes on to say: awhat asecret weapona does micahas prophecy indicate jehovah would raise up against that implacable foeaathe assyriana?

a very unlikely oneaaseven shepherds, yes, eight dukesa!

Separation of Powers

@Ish Elon

If your belief that the GB is approved by God is based on some obscure text that must be read and reread to try to excise some form of understanding, then the God that you worship is not logical or rational. If God exists and he has chosen a group to represent him, then that group would not have to try to "interpret" scripture to identify it as such. Jesus said "by their fruits" you will recognize those that are approved by God. He NEVER said that about those that lead, simply those that follow him. Once again, the ORG and its writing committee are demonstrating how devoid they are of real depth of understanding. Like JF Rutherford, they are taking insignificant passages that obviously refer to something that an ancient society would understand and trying to make application to a modern-day scenario. "Shepherds and Dukes" have absolutely no bearing on your salvation (that is, if you believe in anything Jesus said about Christianity).

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just wanted to introduce myself

by TheMark in

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i've been a lurker for quite some time and enjoy the forum.

i've reached a point in life where i don't argue ideologies anymore so i don't have much to say.

i've been out for decades and believe i've been mostly de-cultabilized (if that's even a word).. my family is still in and i haven't had contact with them in years.

Separation of Powers

Welcome....I would agree. Keep things light. No need for controversy. I have been impressed by the fact that so many here left the ORG because of its fallacy ridden theology only to promote fallacy ridden theology on this board. Truth is, if a poster is not here to encourage, enlighten, or enliven the group, they should probably go back to the BORG.

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Seven Shepherds Eight Dukes

by Ish Elon in

who is the assyrian?.

the article entitled seven shepherds, eight dukesawhat they mean for us today in the watchtower of the 15th november 2013 contained this important warning in paragraph 16: ain the near future, jehovahas apparently vulnerable people will come under attack from the modern-day aassyrian,a whose intent will be to wipe them out.a it goes on to say: awhat asecret weapona does micahas prophecy indicate jehovah would raise up against that implacable foeaathe assyriana?

a very unlikely oneaaseven shepherds, yes, eight dukesa!

Separation of Powers

....and a partridge in a pear tree."

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Preaching is a waste of time

by konceptual99 in

before anyone gives me the "bears/wood" similarities, this is a post based on insidethekh's reply on the mormon v jw thread.

(http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/287545/1/who-is-copying-who-jws-or-mormons) i like to see wt friendly posts on here as some of the wt bashing displays the same logical fallacies as levelled against the wts and it's followers so it's good to consider reasoned debate.. on the one hand i think itkh makes a fair point if you compare the worldwide success of mormons v jws but there is an overall context to the preaching work that is completely ignored by those fully "in" and has been a major factor in my move from being an active witness to one on the cusp of getting out.

from a statistical point of view there are great headline numbers presented by the wts but if you put them in the context of the number of witnesses, conversation ratios, ratio of new witnesses to birth rates, numbers that must be leaving, growth differentials across the globe, penetration in muslim nations and so on then these numbers become meaningless.

Separation of Powers

Sitting in the parking lot drinking my coffee before I went into the office. I am watching two sisters, probably pioneers, sip their coffees and talking. I am in my car waiting for about 15 minutes and they have only gotten out of the car once to give a tract to a man who got off his bike to tie his shoe. The parking lot is bustling with activity. Yes, my thoughts exactly, REAL PRODUCTIVE!

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Who is copying who? Jws or Mormons?

by stuckinarut2 in

it amazes me!.

witnesses go on about how "blessed we are to have the website and all the content from jehovah etc".

but i have been noticing the parallels between jws and the mormons!.

Separation of Powers

Mormons are one of the most commercial religions out there. They have rebranded themselves since the death of Gordon B. Hinckley who was quite successful at making them a major player in the global religious stage. Monson, their current prophet and his Quorum of the Twelve are quite astute at the need for commercialization and keeping up with technologies. Long before the JW's decided they should "televise" their Annual Meeting, the Mormons have been hooked up with their Salt Lake City Utah headquarters via satellite for decades......way behind the times JW's! Every thing that the JW's do from now on will be a copycat of the success of the LDS!

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New requirement to become an Elder or Ministerial Servant!

by hardtobeme in

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friends

it has been a few months since i hear this from an elder.

he said that the c/o told them this new requirement.. "men that wanna be an elder or ministerial servant has to go out to field service on sundays.

if there is an elder or ministerial servant that is not going out to field service on sunday can lose the priviledge".

Separation of Powers

Just to make sure you know this, every CO is now an autonomous entity. He is in charge of appointing and deleting. Please him and you will go far. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. These kind of rules will become commonplace. If you wish to be a servant or elder, you better ask for the new rule book BEFORE he shows up. Oh, there isn't one? Well, you no what that means....when there is no rule book....YOU SHOULDN'T PLAY THE GAME!